Committee4 min read

Selling day permits without an honesty box

Most clubs sell day tickets through a shop, a hut or an honesty box. Here is what that costs them, and what changes when it moves online.

By Alex Baker, Tadpole

Ask a committee how they sell day permits and you get one of four answers.

A local shop sells them and the club collects the money and the counterfoils every few weeks. A committee member sells them from home, which means a visitor has to find the house. There is an honesty box on a post at the car park. Or there is no formal system and visitors are expected to find somebody.

All four work, in the sense that money comes in. All four leak.

What each one costs

The tackle shop. The best of the four, and it depends entirely on the shop's hours. A visitor arriving at seven on a Sunday morning finds it shut. Some of them go home. Some of them fish anyway.

The committee member's house. Works if the visitor knows to go there, which means they have already found a phone number on a website that may or may not be current. It also means one person's Saturday belongs to the club.

The honesty box. Some people are honest. The club has no idea who fished, when, or how many. If there is an incident, or a question about numbers, or a grant application asking about visitor use, there is nothing to point at.

No system. The most common, and effectively the club is giving away the fishing to anyone who does not ask.

The part that is easy to miss

The money is not really the point. Day permits are rarely a large part of a club's income.

What the club loses is the information.

Who is on the water. If a bailiff meets someone on the bank, there should be a way to check. There usually is not.

How much visitor use there actually is. Clubs guess this and the guesses are usually wrong in both directions. It matters when you are talking to a landowner, applying for funding, or arguing about whether a beat is being overfished.

Contact details. A visiting angler who had a good day is the easiest new member a club will ever get. Most clubs have no way of ever contacting them again.

Seasonal pattern. Which weeks are busy, which are dead. Useful for everything from stocking decisions to when to put the effort into a work party.

What changes online

A visitor finds the club website, buys a permit on their phone, and has it before they get out of the car. The club sees the sale immediately, with a name, a date and a stretch of water.

That is it. The changes that follow are all downstream of it.

No opening hours. The most common time to buy a permit is early morning, and the second most common is the night before. Neither is a time a tackle shop is open.

The bailiff can check. A permit on a phone can be verified on the bank, and there is a record on the system either way.

The club knows its numbers. Not a guess. How many visitors, when, and where.

Nobody's Saturday belongs to the club. The volunteer who has been selling permits from their kitchen for eleven years gets their weekend back, and that is often the argument that carries the committee.

The visitor becomes contactable. With their permission, which matters, they can be told about the club, the season, and how to join.

The objections, and honest answers

"Our visitors are older and won't use a phone." Some will not. Keep the shop and the phone number. This is an extra route, not a replacement, and clubs that treat it as a replacement lose people.

"There's no signal at the water." Common on Irish rivers and loughs. A permit bought before setting off works offline once it is on the phone. Somebody arriving with no signal and no permit still needs the old route, which is another reason to keep it.

"It's more admin, not less." It is genuinely less, because the sale, the record and the money are the same event. The admin in the current system is the reconciling, and that is the bit that goes.

"We'd have to charge card fees." Yes. Most clubs add a small booking fee or absorb it. Set against a volunteer's Saturday and the permits currently not being sold at all, it is not usually the deciding factor.

Where to start

Do not replace anything on day one. Add the online route, keep the shop and the phone number exactly as they are, and see what proportion of sales move over a season.

In our experience most of them move, and quickly, because the people who were previously not buying a permit at all turn out to be a bigger group than anyone expected.


Tadpole handles day permits alongside membership: online sales around the clock, a record of who is on the water, and a permit that works on a phone with no signal.

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